Election 2009 actual results: Bob McDonnell 58.6 percent for a 17.4 percent margin of victory. Virtucon rankings are based upon total amount the two numbers deviate from the actual numbers.
1. Survey USA (10/30-11/1) – 58% / 18% (deviation 1.2%)
2. VCU (10/21-25) – 54% / 18% (deviation 5.2%)
3. (TIE) PPP (10/31-11/1) – 56% / 14% (deviation 6%)
3. (TIE) Roanoke College (10/21-27) – 53% / 17% (deviation 6%)
5. Suffolk Univ. (10/26-28) – 54% / 14% (deviation 8%)
6. Rasmussen (10/27) – 54% / 13% (deviation 9%)
7. Washington Post (10/22-25) – 55% / 11% (deviation 10%)
8. Times Dispatch / Mason Dixon (10/28-29) – 53% / 12% (deviation 11%)
9. Daily Kos / Research 2000 (10/26-28) – 54% / 10% (deviation 12%)
10. Virginia Pilot / CNU (10/8-13) – 45% / 14% (deviation 17%)
11. Clarus (10/18-19) – 49% / 8% (deviation 19%)
Next time you see a poll, judge it by its past performance. Here is how they rank in terms of accuracy based upon the 2008 presidential election:
MOST ACCURATE:
1T. Rasmussen (11/1-3)**
1T. Pew (10/29-11/1)**
3. YouGov/Polimetrix (10/18-11/1)
4. Harris Interactive (10/20-27)
5. GWU (Lake/Tarrance) (11/2-3)*
6T. Diageo/Hotline (10/31-11/2)*
6T. ARG (10/25-27)*
8T. CNN (10/30-11/1)
8T. Ipsos/McClatchy (10/30-11/1)
POLL REVEALED TO BE FRAUDULENT AND REPUDIATED BY DAILYKOS:
10. DailyKos.com (D)/Research 2000 (11/1-3)
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(If you're below DailyKos, you don't deserve to be taken seriously for another four years. Better luck in 2012.)
POLLS THAT WERE WORSE THAN A FRAUDULENT POLL:
11. AP/Yahoo/KN (10/17-27)
12. Democracy Corps (D) (10/30-11/2)
13. FOX (11/1-2)
14. Economist/YouGov (10/25-27)
15. IBD/TIPP (11/1-3)
16. NBC/WSJ (11/1-2)
17. ABC/Post (10/30-11/2)
18. Marist College (11/3)
19. CBS (10/31-11/2)
20. Gallup (10/31-11/2)
21. Reuters/ C-SPAN/ Zogby (10/31-11/3)
22. CBS/Times (10/25-29)
23. Newsweak (10/22-23)
[...] Moran insists the rich aren’t entitled to keep their wealth. Source of the Moran quote: Jim Moran – “This simplistic notion that people who have wealth are entitled to keep it”… If any of you people who still don’t believe the Demoncrats are about wealth redistribution, read [...]
Virginia, where are you going??
And Obama has the audacity to stand up and complain about that which “divides America?”
That’s right, Rep Moran — we earned it and we DO have a right to keep it, and your idea of taking it away from us is simply put — THEFT.
Karl Marx would be so proud.
I think all the drugs these Dims did in the 60′s and 70′s has really addled their brains.
I’m not surprised. Jim Moran has declared personal bankruptcy in the past, so he has no idea about how to generate wealth and certainly no clue as to how to keep it.
All he is saying is that the Redistribution of Wealth PROMISED by Republicans, which they call ‘Trickle down Economics,’ is in fact broken. Or a lie.
Jim also does not point out that with the highest levels of corporate profit and the highest levels of productiviity this also equates to the highest levels of taxes paid. Trickle down does work. Funnny how I do not hear Jim comlaining about collecting more taxes. Jim you make no sense.
Jim Moran, main stream Democrat-Communist.
Wake up Virginia. Wake up America.
I totally voted against this fellow.
What a giant piece of shame.
Perhaps Mr Moran should change the spelling of his last name to MORON.
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“Trickle down Economics” is a term created by Democrats and mass media.
Tar and Feather Moran!
This is insane. Where can this person show one example in history that socialism works. Do the American people not recognize communism when they here it. It scares me to death that an American senator can say something like this and the public allows him to get away with it.
[...] Virtucon Calls 8th Cong. Dist. for Jim Moran Posted on November 4, 2008 by Riley The sheeple of the 8th Cong. Dist. have done it again, sending the financially inept, socially embarassing, Jim Moran back to Washington for another term on the same day he makes his grand YouTube debut. [...]
Obama makes me vomit.
Noblesse oblige, folks.
Mr. Moran:
What’s fair for us real Americans, who really work for an honest living, is for Marxist jerks like you to relinquish your American Citizenship right now and go show off for Hugo Chavez and the Marxist President of your anti-American “Democrat” party. This election was stolen through dead voters, CASA of MD, George Soros, fatso Michael Moore and others you’ve chosen to align yourself with. You’re all a disgrace to this country! Soon the people who ignorantly voted for your jackass team will realize who you really are and what you represent. The Democrat Party has put its hoof in its mouth again! Your mascot fits you well! You grin and Hee-Haw, then kick people into poverty! Those of us who didn’t vote for your Community Organizer will preserve the values of America whether you like it or not! GOD BLESS AMERICA FOREVER! You and your hoodlums need to ask for God’s forgiveness! You’re traitors to our beloved nation! Our ancestors are turning over in their graves, wishing they could give you a piece of their minds, so we’re doing it for them!
Moron – - I’ve been working 42 years. Tired and would like to retire but cannot afford to. So, based on your redistribution views, how about sharing your net worth (what’s in your bank account?) with me. Feel free to send that check. Go ahead and publish your worth asap. I’ll be checking the mail daily. Oh, and thank you.
Sir, JIm Monran’s statement of “…keeping your wealth…” is what is wrong with parts of our country. I started out life as the oldest of 6, had to attend college at the least expensive school I could find and depend on loans and scholarships. I spent 8 years teaching in low income schools before entering the business world. My 2 children both graduated college, one with an MBA and one is in grad school now. Both had money in the bank after helping to put themselves thru school. My wife and I now have a 7 figure net wealth from long hours, hard work, living within our means, and some good investments. For this man to say that I do have a “…simplistic notion that people who have wealth are entitled to keep it … shows how out of touch this man is. THX
Trickle down does not work without 100% inheritance tax. Period. If your father made a fortune, was able to give you a superior education and access to the kind of advantages that will give you a huge head-start over everybody else in order to make your own fortune, when your father dies you will have TWO fortunes. And then your son will have THREE fortunes. Money is ASSET BACKED! That means that money is a limited commodity. In a world where a small percentage of the population is allowed to get richer and richer, everybody else will, by definition, get poorer and poorer while population growth exceeds economic growth. In any event, both forms of growth must inevitably halt as we simply run out of space and resources.
Look also at what you mean by wealth; $250,000 net PROFIT – not income, PROFIT will land you a higher tax bracket. Well boo hoo! If you have a quarter of a million a year in disposable income, you’re not getting my sympathy when your asked to pay a little back into the cociety which has helped to make you rich.
If you live in Massachusetts, one of the most expensive states to employ or be employed, you will soon be paying 42% Fed Income Tax, 6% State Income Tax, and 7% for Social Security/Medicare. That is a total of 54% coming out of our paychecks.
We still have mortgage payments, car payments and other expenses that don’t leave a whole lot to spare. This is insane to set a wealth value across the board.
Hopefully, there will be an epiphany when President-elect Obama sits in the Oval office and gets the daily dose of reality.
http://bcmusing.wordpress.com
Someone asked for a social experiment that works…Social Security provides income for millions that would be homeless right now.
Medicaid, keeps people that can’t afford health care…alive.
Medicaire-allows for seniors that no longer have employer covered healthcare, to stay healthy, and live.
What is it you fear? President O’Bama is no more going to make you rich people poor, than McCain was going to let women and children die in the gutter.
We decided a long time ago that we are ONE NATION…and it’s all for one and one for all. The entreprenuerial spirit will not die, no one’s right to start a business is going to be taken away… and the rich will continue to be rich…this, I assure you of.
And as far as redistribution of wealth…just what the hell do you call capital gains tax cuts for the wealthiest of Americans??? C’mon gang, you’re talking out of both sides of your mouth when you start that speak…
You’re just going to have to accept that we’ve gone too far right, and President O’bama is going to have to balance things out a bit…just a bit…so don’t fear….you’ll still have your Escalade, and boat, and home in the Hamptons…(thank you $700 billion Wall Street Welfare bailout)..
peace
Well put, Tzugidan.
I’d add that the GI Bill (post WWII college for vets) was a social experiment that worked pretty well too.
For David C’s benefit, the offical Reganomics term was “Supply Side Economics”, but as Reagan’ s budget director David Stockman noted:
“It’s kind of hard to sell ‘trickle down,’ so the supply-side formula was the only way to get a tax policy that was really ‘trickle down.’ Supply-side is ‘trickle-down’ theory.”
Wikipedia suggests “Trickle Down” was coined by Will Rodgers, who once said, “I don’t belong to an organized political party. I’m a Democrat”.
Bill
Isn’t it only fair that the income tax be progressive, given that sales tax is regressive? Besides, the wealthiest 5% of the nation often benefit from tax shelters, loopholes, and various job perks that mean that they don’t pay nearly as high a percentage on all their income and benefits as it would seem. I can’t feel sorry for someone who whines about his heavy tax burden while texting on his work-supplied blackberry, chatting on his work-supplied laptop, and flying first-class trip to a leisure destination on an international flight paid for by work mileage.
Besides, you can’t claim that increasing income taxes on the wealthiest 5% of the nation is socialism while engaging in corporate welfare and Wall Street bailouts without looking like a hypocrite.
No one of sound mind would agrue the value or need for Social Secuity, MediCare, Medicaid or even the GI Bill (which should be re-instituded for ALL those who serve in the American Armed Forces).
However, redistribution of wealth, according to Mr. Moran’s definition, is confiscating what liberals deem to be excessive wealth held by individuals through taxation, creating a beauracrasy to manage it, and passing a small portion of it down the the less fortunate in our society in the form of a handout. Unfortunately most of the confiscated funds are consumed by the process and accomplish little if anything of lasting value.
The truely rich, not the hard-work guy who sweats 60 hours a week to climb to a more comfortable, successful existence, need to be encouraged and expected to help care for those in need. The Gates, Speilbergs, Waltons, Hiltons and others who have achieved fabulous wealth from the contributions of the common man need to step forward and voluntarily assume some responsibility for the society that gave them the opportunity to achieve thier success.
We have had 8 years of wealth redistribution and crime of the highest order.
Projection is taking the sins and violations one commits and accusing someone else, usually anyone who calls them on it, of the same sins and violations.
Projecting the wealth redistribution and crimes of the 8 years to the incoming administration is propaganda technique, and totally dishonest.
Sin Verguenza- in Spanish means someone without shame, or moral worth.
Social Security was run by the government and is bankrupt because they used it as a line of credit to fund other things. Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac were run by the government and they cost us hundreds of millions of dollars because they were mismanaged.
Now Congress is looking at taking our 401K’s and/or our pension plans. Why? Cause they can run them better? BS! They will use them for another line of credit to fund failed programs and bankrupt them too.
The ultimate issue is what is wealthy. Gates, Waltons, etc. are wealthy. Anyone with over $1M in liquid assets is wealthy and can afford to pay a little more. I can not and if I have to, I will stop spending money and so will others in my tax bracket and that will impact the local economies. No more sending my shirts to the dry cleaners. No more eating out. No more paying the local guy to clean up my yard. No more paying a handyman to fix things at my house. All the little things that keep the local economy going will be making up for the added tax burden.
We need lower taxes and have smaller government. End of story.
You are taking a titanic leap of faith thinking this liberal Senator is going to balance things out. We are going to have a liberal White House, Legislature, and ultimately a Supreme Court.
I applaud him for making history. It was an amazing moment.
If I am wrong about what the 111th Congress and President Obama will do, I will cheerfully admit it. If I am right, I will remind you all everyday that you got what you asked for!
[...] Jim Moran – “This simplistic notion that people who have wealth are entitled to keep it”… “Now in the last seven years we have had the highest corporate profit ever in American history. Highest [...] [...]
[...] Posted by Chan Source of the Moran quote: Jim Moran – This simplistic notion that people who have wealth are entitled to keep it Virginia Vi… If any of you people who still don’t believe the Demoncrats are about wealth redistribution, read [...]
The only thing simplistic is the working of this moron’s brain. If people heard these words and still cast their vote for this idiotic socialist, then they are just as dumb as he is. Too bad for the people in VA, too bad for all of us if this kind of notion takes hold. Our founders are flipping in their graves. Economics 101 anyone? Is this what we are really in for? At the helm now is a disingenuous opportunist who shares Moran’s philosophy. We must be vigilant or we will ALL pay, not just the so called ‘selfish wealthy’.
This clip, and the one here, go hand in hand:
custador,
I would like to invite you to move to France or Canada at any time. Try getting a job instead of whining about others making more money than you. Oh, let me guess, you’re probably a professor at a University… Figures…
its not about distribution its about our tax system…legal loopholes shouldnt be given to millionaires so that they hardly have to pay any taxes…if you make more, you should pay more…thats just common sense…someone who makes millions a year and is hardly paying any taxes is just criminal
Jason, would you support a flat tax where there are no loopholes or deductions other than a standard individual / family deduction so that those on the low end of the economic spectrum pay no income taxes, but everyone else pays 15 percent of their income above that threshold?
Someone making $100,000 per year would pay $15,000.
Someone making $1,000,000 per year would pay $150,000.
That’s paying more, right?
[...] Another wonderfully direct and blatant example of the thinking of far left Democrats. [...]
Thanks for the reply Riley…I’m not sure what the answer is, but here’s something I’m not understanding…maybe you can explain this to me better…I know someone who told me that his wife makes a few hundred thousand a year…he said that she was told that if she makes 500,000 a year, she would actually pay much less in taxes than if she were making less…can you explain to me why that is, and how thats not unfair?
Thanks for the post Riley. Seriously Virginia, where are you headed? I say lets annex Northern Virginia to Maryland or better yet DC and get it over with.
[...] into an age of predatory taxation, where, as one Dem representative noted, we have to get over the “simplistic” idea that we have a right to property, intelligent folk will move from maximizing their income by being productive to maximizing their [...]
Jason, I agree with you to the extent that if you make more, your taxes shouldn’t go down. That is the beauty of the flat tax. No weird loopholes like that. Just a flat 15 percent above the standard individual/family deduction. So simple you can do your own taxes on a postcard.
Riley…If the flat tax sounds so good like you’re describing, then whats the criticism to it?
Real estate lobbyists oppose eliminating the mortgage interest deduction (sure, people buy houses for that reason, not to own a home). Also, a lot of accountants would have to find other things to keep them busy.
Then there are people who think that the progressive system that redistributes wealth is somehow fairer:
“Earn 10 times more than me? You should pay 20 times more than I do in taxes then!”
Riley…yeah i’m not sure what the answer is…but I know we have to find a way to make sure that everyone is paying their fair share of taxes, which means that if you make more, you should NOT be getting all of these deductions and tax breaks…it’s just not right…I consider myself to be an independent, but I do feel that our tax system is currently designed to help the rich and big corporations….and the whole “trickle down” doesn’t seem to be working either…
Well, Jason, I think that you would probably like the flat tax then. No loopholes. No deductions other than a standard individual / family deduction. You make more, you pay more. Everyone pays the same percentage of their income, but the higher your income, the more dollars you pay based upon the set percentage. Check it out. I first became intrigued by it when Jerry Brown was running on it in ’92 for the Dem nomination and then became a full-fledged supporter when Steve Forbes backed it in ’96 in the GOP primary.
sounds promising…but the far left probably wont like it, saying that the rich should pay a higher percentage…and the far right probably won’t like it either, since they wont be getting their “deductions” anymore
Far left doesn’t like it for the very reason you cite. The far-right does like it. It is the corporate handout types on the right who don’t like it.
thank you comrade Moron. Sorry but if you make the money you get to keep it! If you are too lazy to make your your own money please move to Canada…
Comrade Jason;
You are just a selfish whiney Jealous miserable Socialist! With the advent of making more respoonsibilities and more opportunities. Why Should someone is more of productive and more ambitious who wants to build a dynasty and legacy for his family for your inequities as a man. Stop whining and get back to work
[...] Liberalism bears no regard for money in concrete terms. In the religion of liberalism, the entire stock of planetary resources is so desperately low as to necessitate government rationing – except money! Money is a plaything. It explains why filthy rich performing artists – like this guy – always express fondness for more taxes, why liberals constantly bluster about the evilness of the rich – when the rich vote Republican – and why they think the government is the ultimate arbiter of economic fairness. They believe that wealth is an accident, that “the rich” (whatever the hell that means to liberalism depending on the target of their ire) just get “rich” by accident or dishonesty. So, heck! Why not spend money now buying the votes of everybody possible? We might as well use the plaything to secure the power necessary to make the world a perfect socialist paradise! [...]
The notion that the government somehow has the right to keep on taking more and more of people’s money and that it has the right to essentially punish people for being rich is sick, perverted and un-American. Keep in mind, of course, that there wouldn’t be such a huge need for more and more money taken from people in taxes if the federal government were returned to the very narrow limits set forth in the Constitution, i.e. keeping the federal government within the confines of its enumerated powers. Worse, we’re seeing more and more people adopt the very un-American attitude that the individual is to be subservient to society (and, therefore, the government) and that the rights of the individual should be sacrificed for the “public good.” The Puritans tried that “public good” crap and ended up with the Salem witch hunts.
How rich are you? http://www.globalrichlist.com/
JVT, on November 5th, 2008 at 5:47 pm said: “No one of sound mind would agrue the value or need for Social Secuity, MediCare, Medicaid or even the GI Bill (which should be re-instituded for ALL those who serve in the American Armed Forces).”
Never mind that all of those programs are unconstitutional.
JVT, on November 5th, 2008 at 5:47 pm said: “The Gates, Speilbergs, Waltons, Hiltons and others who have achieved fabulous wealth from the contributions of the common man need to step forward and voluntarily assume some responsibility for the society that gave them the opportunity to achieve thier success.”
Why? This sick, perverted “good of the society” or “public good” crap you’re spewing is not only un-American (and unconstitutional), it’s driving the United States into bankruptcy.
Your asking people who spent their entire lives gathering wealth to now give it to someone else – good luck.
Moran is exactly the reason much of the country is dealing with increased unemployment.
When you “sock it to the wealthy” they respond by cutting investment. You kill the pool of available loan money for business growth. Businesses are afraid to hire because they see punishment if they increase their wealth.
See- http://www.capitalismmagazine.com/culture/philosophy/5374-Capitalism-and-the-Moral-High-Ground.html