It’s rather amazing to find such idiocy on a casual search

I was poking around the Internet yesterday, looking at State parks in reasonable driving distance. We have a lovely RV that hasn’t been anywhere in too long, and I thought I’d look around and see if anything piqued my interest. I remember that may years ago we stayed in the general area of Phohick State ParkWestmoreland, I think – and had a great time.

So, I was googling around, and saw that in the Pohick area (or at least, I think it was in that area, I wasn’t looking at maps) is also Mason Neck. And for some reason, I came across this blog post, essentially saying that Gov. McDonnell doesn’t love our State parks, because he’s closing five of them.

I see that Blue Virginia has also jumped on the bandwagon, with an approving mention of that post by Benny-Wenny over at Not Larry Sabato (get your own link to that reprobate).

Now, Norm over at Tertium Quids as well as Krystle at Bearing Drift have already chimed in on this – and far more eloquently than I might – but I do want to ask the leftosphere something. A few somethings, actually.

Do you really think that, after only a month in office, Gov. McDonnell really holds a particular animus for these parks? Or do you think that, maybe, in an attempt to look over the budget snarl the recent *ahem* Democratic *cough* governors have bequeathed to the Commonwealth and bring some sanity to spending, Gov. McDonnell reviewed various proposals by the many departments of government to see where they said they could cut costs? Perhaps – possibly – the Governor saw that the Department of Conservation and Recreation said that these parks were losing money for the State due to low visitation revenue vs upkeep expenses… And, perhaps, the Governor saw this as a way to cut costs with the least impact possible to jobs?

I realize jobs will be lost in this move – but I didn’t realize that Virginia had a policy of guaranteeing jobs so long as there were breathing bodies to occupy them. I’m sorry some people will be out of work, but what if it’s a case of 100 jobs in the recreation section vs 500 jobs in education or health?

Folks, everyone is having to tighten their belts in these difficult times, including the Commonwealth.

Would you rather we keep spending money we don’t have, placing more of a burden on future generations and eventually teetering on the edge of bankruptcy like, oh – California? Hard times mean hard choices. Get with the program, pare down non-essential services as much as possible, make wise spending decisions, and get inside sensible budget restrictions, and we’ll weather the storm and come out better.

But as long as y’all keep whining, things are just going to get worse.

C’mon, Virginia Democrats – don’t be like your big brother.

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(crossposted from CatHouse Chat)

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29 thoughts on “It’s rather amazing to find such idiocy on a casual search

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  2. Garrett, ever notice that Dems are most generous…..with OTHER PEOPLE’s money. But never theirs.
    Ken, “don’t spend beyond your means” is what your father should have taught you.
    It means if you do not have the current amount of money to buy something, you don’t commit to it.
    The end result of continued spending in the worst case results in $$1.4 TRILLION dollars of debt.
    To put that in perspective — That’s the national debt and all payments on it from Washington’s last year in office until the end of George Bush’s 4th year in office.

  3. Indeed, Ken – if your parents didn’t teach you the value and need for fiscal responsibility, I foresee financial woes in your future, along with some possible legal consequences. Gadzooks, I think that’s got to be the most obviously moronic comment I’ve seen in a loooooooong time!

    So, you’re saying that you like to overdraw your checking account on a regular basis? You have a habit of defaulting on payments on loans? All your credit cards are maxed out and your savings account is empty? My, how short-sighted and foolish, little grasshopper!

    Then how is it “bs” to call for fiscal responsibility at a governmental level as well? Should we require the government to conform to lesser standards than the citizens of this Commonwealth? I should say NOT! Rather, government on every level should be held to higher standards, because it’s not the government’s money: IT’S OURS!!!

    Since we are required to pay taxes, responsible citizens should be alert to assure that government – from the local level all the way up to Washington – is acting prudently and carefully when spending money.

    It’s rather difficult to throw the government out when it steals and behaves like a spendthrift. But then, we’ve already done it once…

    (EDIT – Just in case Ken didn’t catch the reference, think 1776.)

  4. I’m as fiscally conservative as they come, but some common sense needs to be exercised. I too would rather see some highway rest areas stay closed than close some of these parks. The Caledon choice is particularly weird, as that’s not intended to have a lot of traffic, but more as a natural area to protect a bald eagle nesting ground. (And, really, does Gov. McDonnell want to be seen as against the bald eagle? Because I’m sure someone will try to spin it that way.)

  5. Actually, we could get a fairly good win/win if Va can cut a deal to transfer mason neck to the Federal Government. It is adjacent to existing federal wilderness land controlled by BLM. If we simply gave the park to the feds, BLM could take over operation with little or no additional admin expenses and propbaly also reduce maintanence expenses by share equipment and personel between Mason Neck and their existing property. Great place for sunset photography btw.

  6. OK, that’s great – I’m all for bald eagles and photographic sunsets. I don’t know about you, though, but I haven’t seen the actual financial breakdown of closing the parks vs reopening the rest stops. I don’t particularly care about the rest stops personally, because *IF* I stop, it’s generally at a gas station to fuel both vehicle and body, but I realize not everyone feels that way.

    My irritation with the “OMG! DON’T CLOSE THE PARKS (or whatever)!!!!1!!1!!!!” people is the knee-jerk reaction that it’s automatically a terrible thing. No one says, “Hey, closing the parks will save $x, yet I see that if Gov. McDonnell cuts out [budget item], then we can save $x+y, AND also only have to end 100 jobs vs 200 jobs.” No one is offering a better option backed up by logic and facts.; no consideration of the balancing act of a government budget, just “*gasp!* He’s shutting the parks down!

    Balancing an overstretched budget is hard work, and all I’m asking is for people to realize that – with the numbers and information McDonnell has (that *WE* may not see) – this may have been the best option for cutting spending with the smallest job loss.

    I love parks! I love taking the RV and staying at parks and enjoying the beauty and scenery with my family. Woodbridge, I think your solution might be a good compromise; thank you for at least offering an alternative. However, please show me where in the Constitutions of either our Commonwealth or our Nation is the requirement/authorization that this is, in fact, an appropriate government service? (Heck, I confess that I’m one of those people who would prefer that a bill not make it to a vote AT ALL unless it can cite the Constitutional authority upon which it’s based)

    Hard times, hard choices. Not everyone is going to be pleased with the actual cuts made, no matter WHAT is cut or left alone.

  7. Monk – i hope you are not talking about me…….yes…..i did say that those ‘sayings’ about fiscal responsibility are just that…..’sayings’…….and i likely am older than you……much older…………..but i said nothing about overdrawing my accounts……..if you are talkingaaobut Obama initiatives on borrowing to prevent an economic disaster…..yes………that was overdrawing……..yes,………it was fiscally responsible to save the republic and possibly the world from a tragic recession…..and yes, he had the likes of paulson (via Bush) and Volcker and Summers advising him……….so……………that my friend is fiscal responsibilty…..unlike the sayings of sarah and rush and the other dittoheads!!!

  8. Ken, I refer you to the depression of 1920. Taxes were cut, the govvernment got out of the way and let the markets flourish by not penalyzing them for making money. They in turn provided a $%^&load of jobs, and that’s why you never heard about the crash of 1920.

    Conversely, the change of Presidents and philosophy actually added to the Great Depression of 1929. Taxes went up, the rules changed weekly for investors, and the Government heaped gobs and gobs of workers onto the federal dole. The end result of Government walking over top of the “free” market? We stagnated until 1941 , when it took a war to get us back out.

    Here we are in 2010, with a single $1.4 Trillion dollar debt raise (that dems would be screaming about were it under a Republican) and more to come.
    Obama needs to step back, employ some “real” economists ( Paulson was the sorriest excuse for an economist that Bush could find, as Geitner is to Obama) that would no doubt tell him to let industry and investors have the market, and we’d pull right out of this tailspin. I’ve lived long enough to see this happen TWICE in my life. Get the Government out of the market – set the rules in solid ground, don’t move the goalpost after every play — and we’re as good as out of this.
    Ken, do you even know what the first domino to fall on the board was? Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, under Barney Frank’s watch. He refused to clean them up. He even made excuses for them, after first denying there wasn’t a problem with them. Two years later- they crashed, and they brought the whole economy with them.

  9. Monk ….you cover a mighty amt of history and i do admire your perspectives. I do not agree with most. The Crash of 29 was not caused by govt intervention……caused by incredible sloppy greed…..and yes the govt did need to step in, and hence such agencies as the SEC, FDIC and statutes like Glass-Steagall. These types of interventions in my view kept things together until the early 80s and with the Monetary Control Act of 1980, s&Ls were ‘allowed’ to gamble with depositor money – shopping centers built in the desert so that all the ‘private bidness men’ could get their f commissions…….and so, the crash at the end of the 80s……again not a govt intervention…..although the govt did put it all together……and then came Gramm-Leach Bliley in 1999 and that essentially revoked Glass-Steagall and permitted banks to do eveyrthing…….and especially derivatives…i hope you are not offended by the word ‘permitted’ but that is what it is when the banks and s&l’s are insured by the govt…….and last, Freddie and Fannie failures are not Barney’s screw-up………who made the damn sub-prime loans……..not the govt…..not Barney……..one of the huge mistakes was greenspan holding interest rates down for a long time and that set the mkt up for the real estate collapse in my opinion……….obama doesnt quite know what to do with them although Geithner comes out with a ‘plan’ next month……so we will see……you can blame the govt and raise the flagpole for good ole private mkts all you want, the reality is that many factors came together at the same time…..andthen colllapse!!!! Dont blame Geithner either……..h escrewed up his taxes – i specualte that since imf employees dont have to pay taxes he forgot to pay ss taxes and rush will never forgive him……….rush is the pinhead!! Peace. Heartbleed

  10. Monk, you cover a lot!! I never heard of the 1920 Depression…..you sound like you were there!!! I suspect it was a product of the war cooling down and slowed production. The Crash of 29 in my humble view was caused by stupidity and greed in the build-up of the markets and then people jumping out of windows because they couldnt make the margins…..and much like today, the govt – such as the FDIC and SEC and Glass-Steagall type legislation gave a living structure to the markets……It wasnt a political view….Roosevelt was saving our asses much like obama must do today……things went well, in fact extremely well in the late 30s and onto the 80s when the Monetary Control Act allowed s&ls to gamlbe depositors money away in desert shopping centres…..built on greed and high interest rates and mega cuts by middle men……..hence the crash of the late 80s – when – i was there – 3 banks a week failed for a 5 full years……greenspan and taylor put it back together with legislation – i cant think of the name -…….but things again went great under clinton until gramm – leach – bliley came along and ergo the derivatives markets and greenspan screwed up mightily with low interest rates. barney did not make the f loans…….greedy and unscrupulous bankers did….sucked up money from immigrants etc……and again the great collapse. barney did not screw up fannie and freddie…….that is the work of the whole damn system and now geithner will announce a fix next week hopefully.. obama and geithner and bernanke are getting hammered now but i believe will go down in history as saving the economy……..why does it always take the democrats to do the dirty work…obama said he did not run to take care of this monster……..a part of the business cycle….and the fault of a lot of key players and greedy bastards in the private sector…..and no i am not a member of the communist party!!! good night!!

  11. Folks, I think I’m going to bring an old, time honored blog custom here to Virtucon (if y’all aren’t already aware of it).

    When one encounters a person of such abysmal and profound (yes, this situation requires a redundancy) cluelessness as Ken, one does not encourage him, one simply [GAZES] in astonishment as he beclowns himself.

    Thus, and so:

    [GAZE]

  12. Kat – did you understand any of what i said!!! C’mon, say something more meaningful than to quote Madam Sarah “y’all” If you were paying attention, i was addressing Monk’s comments…….and, i humbly think, in an intelligent dialogue……it was written on a hs level and hence you might have understood some of it!!! One more thing about the Va budget;p i am as poor as the nedt guy, but did you know, or care to know that Virginia has among the lowest in per capita spending among the states, and therefore among the lowest in aid to education, health, human services……..also, how about looking responsibly for new revenue? For example, Virginia maintains all of the interstate roads in the commonwealth….the feds should be paying for this…..why not develop some ideas rather than parroting rush and the rest of you dittoheads!!!

  13. When a revenue shortfall occurs, the weight of these contracts starts to drown a state. They are legally binding so essential services must be cut instead. Are you catching the drift here? Changing how the contracts are written in the future would go a long way to lessening the impact of balancing a budget on essential services.

    The biggest problem with outsourcing state functions and corporate welfare in general is the corrupting affect of rent seeking behavior by the contractors. There contributions to campaigns grantees that this issue will never be addressed. It is easier for the politicians to give in to their own corruption by justifying punishing the people with reductions in services then it is to stand up to the ne’er-do-wells that finance them.

    The beauty of the whole scam is that you the tax payers are paying the bribes for the contractors. Where do you think their excessive profits come from? I would love to draw you some graphs on a chock board that demonstrates the concept, but the nature of venue prevents me.

    Unlike profit seeking, rent seeking has no desirable side effect, but rather can cause a serious waste of society’s scarce resources (shutting down parks). In different terms, profit seeking is a positive-sum game, whereas rent seeking is a negative-sum game (taxpayer funded). The solution to the problem you are discussing is to change the negative-sum game to a positive one. Vote the incumbents out.

  14. Sorry, I failed to paste the first paragraph.

    Defining a problem is the most important step in solving the problem. How much do you people know about government contracting of non-essential services? Every state entity hands out very lucrative contracts for non-essential services. These contracts get written in stone for long periods of time. Keep in mind that these are non-essential services.

    When a revenue shortfall occurs, the weight of these contracts starts to drown a state. They are legally binding so essential services must be cut instead. Are you catching the drift here? Changing how the contracts are written in the future would go a long way to lessening the impact of balancing a budget on essential services.

    The biggest problem with outsourcing state functions and corporate welfare in general is the corrupting affect of rent seeking behavior by the contractors. There contributions to campaigns grantees that this issue will never be addressed. It is easier for the politicians to give in to their own corruption by justifying punishing the people with reductions in services then it is to stand up to the ne’er-do-wells that finance them.

    The beauty of the whole scam is that you the tax payers are paying the bribes for the contractors. Where do you think their excessive profits come from? I would love to draw you some graphs on a chock board that demonstrates the concept, but the nature of venue prevents me.

    Unlike profit seeking, rent seeking has no desirable side effect, but rather can cause a serious waste of society’s scarce resources (shutting down parks). In different terms, profit seeking is a positive-sum game, whereas rent seeking is a negative-sum game (taxpayer funded). The solution to the problem you are discussing is to change the negative-sum game to a positive one. Vote the incumbents out.

  15. “who made the damn sub-prime loans?”
    The question , to address the point more specifically, dear Ken… is this.
    WHO MADE Fannie and Freddie (and all lenders) MAKE THOSE LOANS?
    That would be Barney….again. And a whole chorus of other dems who felt they had triumphed with their Community Reinvestment Act. Read it sometime.
    It actually lowered the bar for home ownership to the point where normal lending practices were brushed aside. No more 20% down required. No more salary confirmation required.
    You must agree that without 20% down, the people that walked away from these mortgages really lost nothing. Had they actually had 20% of the purchase price already down, they’d have had enough skin in the game to stay.

  16. Sub prime lending only had a minor impact on the housing bust. It accounted for less than three percent of the market. Even if every one of those loans defaulted there is absolutely no way that it would have taken down the entire banking system as Fox propaganda suggests. Wall Street and the corporate media continue to use this false causality to hide the real cause and protect the enhancements to their wealth extraction device.

    In 2004, the Securities and Exchange Commission, after hard lobbying by Wall Street, reversed its 1975 rule limiting investment banks to leverage of 15-to-1. The new limit could be as high as 40-to-1 if the investment banks’ own computer models said it was safe……

    But Congress had made it very clear in the Commodity Futures Modernization Act — supported by then-Federal Reserve Chairman Alan Greenspan, steered through Congress by then-Sen. Phil Gramm, R-Texas, and signed into law by President Bill Clinton in December 2000 — that most over-the-counter derivatives contracts were outside the regulatory purview of all federal agencies, even the Commodity Futures Trading Commission.

    With the new law on the books, the market for credit default swaps exploded from $632 billion outstanding in the first half of 2001, according to the International Swaps and Derivatives Association, to $62 trillion in the second half of 2007.

    Boom Boom out goes the lights. The truth is a Republican congress created this mess and a Democrat signed it into law. It was a two party cabal that brought us down.

  17. That is the short version. The long version would include the weakening of Glass-Steagall Act of 1932. The packaging of mortgage backed securities which brought down Lehman Brothers and would have taken out Goldman Sacks had their ex-CEO not been secretary of treasury. He torpedoed Lehman Brothers and bailed out his buddies at Sacks. The insurance fraud that is called swaps which brought down to big to fail AIG. Tax evasion and theft by the majority share holders that brought down GM. A little cabal between Bush and the Black Caucus that lead to the theft of 48 billion in aids relief for Africa.

    On and on, we have lived through one of the most corrupt periods in American history and for the most part the criminals have all gotten away. Congress has done very little to correct any of the problems preferring to hide behind the corporate media’s propaganda instead. They all need to go with maybe two exceptions.

    If you like I can drill down into any of the above subjects in greater debt and provide all the collaborating evidence you could possibly want. I could write a book on the subject. 😉

  18. Monk – Fannie and Freddie DID NOT MAKE the loans. They bought them from the banks. And ‘spending beyond one’s means’ in the govt sense is such nonsense like all the other conservative sayings ……….duh wwho defines the govt’s means???? Boehner? Cantor? Palin???

  19. True Conservative – i believe most of what you say!! The AIDS relief? I am not familar with tthat but would give bush et al the benefit of the doubt…………AIDS is a huge world wide disease that must be stopped. I thiink too the govt screwed up in throwing Lehman under the bus but AIG, because of its world-wide business……………….needed to be brought down slowly ………many of its units were healthy

  20. Ken, you can Google vulture funds. There are some videos on YouTube by a BBC reporter named Greg Palest.

    Vulture funds buy up worthless African bonds, than they lobby congress to give the African nations money for Aids relief and such. The bond holders then confiscate the money as was always intended. For the most part the money doesn’t even leave New York.

    The bond holders spread a good amount of protection money around Washington then they do it over and over again. They bilk the tax payers out of billions.

    Pay attention to how the Black Caucus reacted. They went in fuming and came out smiling and laughing. Everyone got their cut.

    This should get you started:

  21. As for AIG, people should have gone to jail for insurance fraud but they got bonuses instead.

    The perpetrators wanted to offer insurance for mortgage backed securities and wanted to get around the capital requirements (insurance law) so they called the insurance by a different name “Swaps” and started issuing policies. If you or I started offering insurance with no capital to back the policies they would put us in jail for insurance fraud. When the swaps went bad even AIG didn’t have enough money to cover the bets thus the necessity of bailing them out. Being able to cover the liability is the whole purpose of capital requirements. The tax payers covered the obligation and the investors all got their money back. AIG went back to business as usual and the tax payers were left with the bill.

    http://bailout.propublica.org/main/list/index

  22. Hey TC – the insurance requirements (law) are far from it…thats the problem….NAIC – is the National Association of Insurance Companies……and that is antoher damn reason why theese things keep getting regulated because they screw up……and Greenspan – supported al the free markets….he was a Rep too….so, twice again, Democrats need to come in and fix things while Conservatives and REpublicans sit on the sidelines with such intellectual power as ‘tax and spend’ dont spend other peoples money and dont spend beyond your means…….all bs folks. get your adding machines out and ad of this stuff up before you start whining!!!

  23. Conservative values are not the problem. I too I’m quite disappointed in the moral compass, mental laziness, and intellectual dishonesty of many who call themselves conservative. They let the power elite play them for fools. Both parties are about power and they will say anything to get it. They both tell us one thing and do another. They do not stand in opposition to each other because they stand back to back; two sides of the same coin and we let them get away with it.

    Propaganda is the devils tool and all the propagandists in the corporate media are false prophets on both sides of the coin. The Lord gave us all brains and free will. He expects us to use our heads and judge for ourselves what is right and wrong. The bible warns people to beware of false prophets. Yet many have become so mentally lazy that come home from work and turn on the box letting the false prophets fill their minds with all kinds of nonsense leading them off a righteous path.

    Hypocrisy is a sign that you are off the path. What is the difference between “tax and spend” and “borrow and spend and tax later?” One is more intellectually dishonest and leads to blaming the other guy for what they have done. Where is the personal responsibility in that? There is none. Now the other guy is doing the same thing, but now it is somehow wrong. It is hypocrisy pure and simple. It is born of the devils tool; propaganda.

    This country is horrible shape and both sides made it this way together. How is that for personal responsibility? I don’t think that the Democratic Party is the solution just a different view of the same problem. At the same time, I don’t see the old guard in the Republican Party as the solution as they are just another view of the same problem. We need to clean the house in November of the old guard that created this mess from both parties. All they are offering is the same bankrupt ideas that got us here in the first place like the drum beat of the propaganda mills from which that came.

    The truth is there if people want to look for it, but it requires due diligence and enough intellectual honesty to recognize it.

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